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	<description>freelance writing by a freelance writer that works in the freelance writing field</description>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-3658</link>
		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cheryl: Thank you for adding this valuable tip. I'm glad you liked the post and hope to see you back at some stage. 

You are so right with the freedom of choice we have. Although I admit it does become easier the more our income grows. In the beginning stages of working as a freelance writer we might have to work with clients we are not so happy about because we need the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cheryl: Thank you for adding this valuable tip. I&#8217;m glad you liked the post and hope to see you back at some stage. </p>
<p>You are so right with the freedom of choice we have. Although I admit it does become easier the more our income grows. In the beginning stages of working as a freelance writer we might have to work with clients we are not so happy about because we need the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl McNeil</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-3653</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl McNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post about dealing with clients. I would have to say I would probably add 1 item, and that is knowing how to read the client "cues" even in the information gathering stage before you agree to take on the project, hereby making informative decisions. You may decide that it is too complicated, or the client may be hard to work with, or the content is in too "raw" of a format to work with. That is the benefit of working for yourself! We can say yeah or nay on any project whenever we desire. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post about dealing with clients. I would have to say I would probably add 1 item, and that is knowing how to read the client &#8220;cues&#8221; even in the information gathering stage before you agree to take on the project, hereby making informative decisions. You may decide that it is too complicated, or the client may be hard to work with, or the content is in too &#8220;raw&#8221; of a format to work with. That is the benefit of working for yourself! We can say yeah or nay on any project whenever we desire. <img src='http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-2713</link>
		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-2713</guid>
		<description>@ Nicky: I think you will go down in blogging history for the longest comment ever. ;-) I think your comment must have been longer than the actual post itself. 

When things go horribly wrong with clients I think the best thing would be to just forget about it. I know that is hard, since you have lost money but what goes around comes around belief me and this person will get her share of her own medicine in the future.

As hard as it is, sometimes we learn from exactly these clients and become even better at what we do.

I'm sorry for the anger and loss you went through and I have to say that dealing with Craigslist users equals highest caution! There are a lot of shoddy operators abusing the system to their own terms, so be careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nicky: I think you will go down in blogging history for the longest comment ever. <img src='http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I think your comment must have been longer than the actual post itself. </p>
<p>When things go horribly wrong with clients I think the best thing would be to just forget about it. I know that is hard, since you have lost money but what goes around comes around belief me and this person will get her share of her own medicine in the future.</p>
<p>As hard as it is, sometimes we learn from exactly these clients and become even better at what we do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for the anger and loss you went through and I have to say that dealing with Craigslist users equals highest caution! There are a lot of shoddy operators abusing the system to their own terms, so be careful.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky Mares</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-2709</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicky Mares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-2709</guid>
		<description>Cheated by Client Story

The work done for this project may be seen at &lt;a href="http://nickysworld.net" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://nickysworld.net&lt;/a&gt;. 
I was hired for a straightforward case of web design; this person approved of
the work; she discussed ongoing maintenance and requested that I
upload the site and supplied the account info in order for me to do
so. The agreement to maintain the site was made on my part only in
exchange for the unused disk space on the server, and free of charge;
basically an act of good will and the best intentions on my part; she
also requested to pay half at that point, half after upload; here is
when things got interesting. Although my policy is work first, pay
later, upload last; on the assumption that I would be maintaining the
site I foolishly thought I could trust the her.

This person never paid half first but I went ahead and uploaded the
site. Agh. A few days later she informed me that the site was "funky"
and had reverted seemingly by itself to its previous state, which was
a generic template that she had made using the template builder
provided with the web host. Hmm. This time she made a $50 payment,
which was 1/2 of the 'half first' or 1/4 of the total payment;
requesting me to again upload the site, and informing of the new
password to the account, which had inexplicably been changed. Ok-? In
an effort to be helpful I stated the obvious in asking this person
whether she had used the template builder, which still had the old
copy of the template stored, which the client denied as if being
accused of something.

It was only a few days later when no further payment or instructions
appeared from the client that I realized what was happening. Ms.
Menage had waited for me to upload the site, then promptly changed the
password to shut me out. The client then stupidly attempted to use the
template builder to modify the new website, inadvertently reinstating
the old one by mistake. I sent a two-page email, which went
unanswered, patiently explaining the differences between the template
editor and alternative means to edit the site, something I had
contacted her about two weeks earlier, requesting to set a time when
we could put our heads together to implement a customized solution; a
request that also had gone unanswered. I then wrote another two emails
over the course of two days patiently explaining my position in our
agreement, all the things I had done and were willing to do for the
benefit of her website, and explaining that the agreed upon fee for
the site was more than $50.

After a few days this person responded. This time I had apparently
crossed the line and been irrevocably disrespectful in some way with
my 'smart comments'; and no further pay would be forthcoming. Two
separate conversations are presented below.

Sadly, it is apparent that THIS CLIENT NEVER INTENDED TO PAY ME. It is
unfortunate that so many take advantage of Craigslist's open market
system to cheat and connive their way through the system. Thank you
for taking the time to listen.

On 2/17/08, I wrote: (this is a small part of a 2-page letter)
Okay. Please don't confuse content management with that Globuild
template builder they have got up on there. Templates are very limited
in that they can only allow you to change pictures and stuff around
within the look and style of a premade layout.
--------------------------------- (etc.) -------------------------
Because this is kind of starting to drag on and it seems we haven't
been communicating very well and time has been getting wasted. I have
been trying to do everything you wanted me to do but when I asked you
a couple of weeks ago if we could set up a time to hook you up with
the content management you never got back to me; then last week you

On 2/17/08, Tanisha Clayton wrote: (apparently replying to a
completely different conversation)
&gt; no. Any what else is new with this?

On 2/17/08, I wrote:
What part of what I said are you saying no to? I don't know what else
is new with this because I don't know what you are expecting me to do.

On 2/19/08, Tanisha Clayton wrote:
I dont even remember what this email was about. What's with the bad
attitude? I spoke with Danielle and she says that you are very rude.

 On 2/18/08, I wrote:
&gt; Please complete payment for the site this week. You have my ongoing full support for minor issues such as technical problems with Globat, in addition to the number of pages in the Cover section, ad placement, and anything else relating to content management; in exchange for the extra space on the server I will be here to continuously support and update the site. But this is dragging on for too long and I really don't know what more you expect from me. Please don't dole out payments at me $50 at a time like that. This is a business and I am worth more than that.

On 2/19/08, Tanisha Clayton wrote:
I know that and I really don't need all the smart comments. For all
that you can keep the $50 and take down the site. you and I both know
why I asked to only pay $50 and further you saw for your self that
something was funky with the site. Now that it's up I have no problem
paying the remainder balance. The problem that I have is the smart
attitude further irritating me is the fact that I just got my email up
and running only to see emails like the one below.

And  my "rude" email to her referral, Danielle:
What changes will you be wanting to make on a monthly basis? I assume
you said something about having monthly specials on there so we can do
that. I can start by suggesting that we put your slideshow from your
myspace page on to your brands page, instead of having "To view
current collections click here" link to your myspace page - that seems
kinda unprofessional. Also having "for map and directions click here"
link to Msn Live Maps is pretty sad especially since it is only
showing a map of the entire western half of the U.S. on my computer
when I click on it. I really hope you didn't have to pay your previous
webmaster to create this for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheated by Client Story</p>
<p>The work done for this project may be seen at <a href="http://nickysworld.net" rel="nofollow">http://nickysworld.net</a>.<br />
I was hired for a straightforward case of web design; this person approved of<br />
the work; she discussed ongoing maintenance and requested that I<br />
upload the site and supplied the account info in order for me to do<br />
so. The agreement to maintain the site was made on my part only in<br />
exchange for the unused disk space on the server, and free of charge;<br />
basically an act of good will and the best intentions on my part; she<br />
also requested to pay half at that point, half after upload; here is<br />
when things got interesting. Although my policy is work first, pay<br />
later, upload last; on the assumption that I would be maintaining the<br />
site I foolishly thought I could trust the her.</p>
<p>This person never paid half first but I went ahead and uploaded the<br />
site. Agh. A few days later she informed me that the site was &#8220;funky&#8221;<br />
and had reverted seemingly by itself to its previous state, which was<br />
a generic template that she had made using the template builder<br />
provided with the web host. Hmm. This time she made a $50 payment,<br />
which was 1/2 of the &#8216;half first&#8217; or 1/4 of the total payment;<br />
requesting me to again upload the site, and informing of the new<br />
password to the account, which had inexplicably been changed. Ok-? In<br />
an effort to be helpful I stated the obvious in asking this person<br />
whether she had used the template builder, which still had the old<br />
copy of the template stored, which the client denied as if being<br />
accused of something.</p>
<p>It was only a few days later when no further payment or instructions<br />
appeared from the client that I realized what was happening. Ms.<br />
Menage had waited for me to upload the site, then promptly changed the<br />
password to shut me out. The client then stupidly attempted to use the<br />
template builder to modify the new website, inadvertently reinstating<br />
the old one by mistake. I sent a two-page email, which went<br />
unanswered, patiently explaining the differences between the template<br />
editor and alternative means to edit the site, something I had<br />
contacted her about two weeks earlier, requesting to set a time when<br />
we could put our heads together to implement a customized solution; a<br />
request that also had gone unanswered. I then wrote another two emails<br />
over the course of two days patiently explaining my position in our<br />
agreement, all the things I had done and were willing to do for the<br />
benefit of her website, and explaining that the agreed upon fee for<br />
the site was more than $50.</p>
<p>After a few days this person responded. This time I had apparently<br />
crossed the line and been irrevocably disrespectful in some way with<br />
my &#8217;smart comments&#8217;; and no further pay would be forthcoming. Two<br />
separate conversations are presented below.</p>
<p>Sadly, it is apparent that THIS CLIENT NEVER INTENDED TO PAY ME. It is<br />
unfortunate that so many take advantage of Craigslist&#8217;s open market<br />
system to cheat and connive their way through the system. Thank you<br />
for taking the time to listen.</p>
<p>On 2/17/08, I wrote: (this is a small part of a 2-page letter)<br />
Okay. Please don&#8217;t confuse content management with that Globuild<br />
template builder they have got up on there. Templates are very limited<br />
in that they can only allow you to change pictures and stuff around<br />
within the look and style of a premade layout.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; (etc.) &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Because this is kind of starting to drag on and it seems we haven&#8217;t<br />
been communicating very well and time has been getting wasted. I have<br />
been trying to do everything you wanted me to do but when I asked you<br />
a couple of weeks ago if we could set up a time to hook you up with<br />
the content management you never got back to me; then last week you</p>
<p>On 2/17/08, Tanisha Clayton wrote: (apparently replying to a<br />
completely different conversation)<br />
> no. Any what else is new with this?</p>
<p>On 2/17/08, I wrote:<br />
What part of what I said are you saying no to? I don&#8217;t know what else<br />
is new with this because I don&#8217;t know what you are expecting me to do.</p>
<p>On 2/19/08, Tanisha Clayton wrote:<br />
I dont even remember what this email was about. What&#8217;s with the bad<br />
attitude? I spoke with Danielle and she says that you are very rude.</p>
<p> On 2/18/08, I wrote:<br />
> Please complete payment for the site this week. You have my ongoing full support for minor issues such as technical problems with Globat, in addition to the number of pages in the Cover section, ad placement, and anything else relating to content management; in exchange for the extra space on the server I will be here to continuously support and update the site. But this is dragging on for too long and I really don&#8217;t know what more you expect from me. Please don&#8217;t dole out payments at me $50 at a time like that. This is a business and I am worth more than that.</p>
<p>On 2/19/08, Tanisha Clayton wrote:<br />
I know that and I really don&#8217;t need all the smart comments. For all<br />
that you can keep the $50 and take down the site. you and I both know<br />
why I asked to only pay $50 and further you saw for your self that<br />
something was funky with the site. Now that it&#8217;s up I have no problem<br />
paying the remainder balance. The problem that I have is the smart<br />
attitude further irritating me is the fact that I just got my email up<br />
and running only to see emails like the one below.</p>
<p>And  my &#8220;rude&#8221; email to her referral, Danielle:<br />
What changes will you be wanting to make on a monthly basis? I assume<br />
you said something about having monthly specials on there so we can do<br />
that. I can start by suggesting that we put your slideshow from your<br />
myspace page on to your brands page, instead of having &#8220;To view<br />
current collections click here&#8221; link to your myspace page - that seems<br />
kinda unprofessional. Also having &#8220;for map and directions click here&#8221;<br />
link to Msn Live Maps is pretty sad especially since it is only<br />
showing a map of the entire western half of the U.S. on my computer<br />
when I click on it. I really hope you didn&#8217;t have to pay your previous<br />
webmaster to create this for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tay - Super Blogging</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-1785</link>
		<dc:creator>Tay - Super Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-1785</guid>
		<description>This was a very detailed article and I don't think it could have been explained or written any better than this. Thanks for writing it! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very detailed article and I don&#8217;t think it could have been explained or written any better than this. Thanks for writing it! <img src='http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jblu</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-1776</link>
		<dc:creator>jblu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your list was very thorough, and I can't think of anything else to add to it.  I agree with the testimonials, or some sort of feedback system.  Thanks for the great tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your list was very thorough, and I can&#8217;t think of anything else to add to it.  I agree with the testimonials, or some sort of feedback system.  Thanks for the great tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Links - December 7th &#124; Vandelay Website Design</title>
		<link>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Links - December 7th &#124; Vandelay Website Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thewritersmanifesto.com/blog/2007/12/07/freelance-client/#comment-1773</guid>
		<description>[...] 9 Success Steps to Dealing with a New Client from The Writers Manifesto. [...]</description>
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